Terminal

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Terminal

Postby BillO » February 26th, 2022, 12:40 pm

While I'd love a VT100 I probably be better off with fixing my truck first. The last VT100 I saw on fleabay in 100% working condition went for nearly $4000. Out of my price range. So I'm working on a project to build an ASCII terminal based on Geoff Grahams PIC based terminal.

The idea is to design a PC board for it to make it easy to mount to the back of a cheap and cheerful LCD VGA monitor. It will get it's power from the monitor and use a PS2 keyboard to hopefully end up with a useable standalone terminal for use with my Altair 8800c and other retro style projects.

If anyone is interested I can document the project here.

This project is progressing well.

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The green board is version 1 and the red board version 2. There will be a version3 at some point.

The changes from version 1 to version 2 are as follows. On the first try I had the com port set up as DCE. However, my 8800C is also set up as DCE so I went with DTE on version2 so I could connect up with a simple strait-through cable. Also I buggered up the VGA and to some extent the PS/2 keyboard connector patterns in the first version so for version 2 I improved all the connector patterns. I also changed from a barrel power connector to a .1” Molex, spiffed up the silk screen a bit, added mounting holes and dropped the copper pours.




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Here is V1 built up. Note the screwdriver pointing to an LED. I used a red LED to drop the 5V input to 3.6V for the PIC chip as I didn’t have any 3.3V regulators knocking around.




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Here is my V2 build. Since this is not the final design I just wired it for green color rather than use a dip switch. This time I had 3.3V regulators.

For V3 I’m going to drop the composite video out and reduce the size of the board a bit. I’m also going to experiment around with using a USB keyboard as they are easier to find than the PS/2 units.

See below for more ...
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Re: Terminal

Postby toml_12953 » February 26th, 2022, 4:33 pm

BillO wrote:While I'd love a VT100 I probably be better off with fixing my truck first. The last VT100 I saw on fleabay in 100% working condition went for nearly $4000. Out of my price range. So I'm working on a project to build an ASCII terminal based on Geoff Grahams PIC based terminal.

The idea is to design a PC board for it to make it easy to mount to the back of a cheap and cheerful LCD VGA monitor. It will get it's power from the monitor and use a PS2 keyboard to hopefully end up with a useable standalone terminal for use with my Altair 8800c and other retro style projects.

If anyone is interested I can document the project here.


Sure! It sounds like a good idea. We're always interested in ways to save money.
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Re: Terminal

Postby AltairClone » February 26th, 2022, 7:18 pm

Hi Bill,

This has been done a few times, but I think I it sounds like a great project to do yourself.

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Re: Terminal

Postby BillO » March 12th, 2022, 2:12 pm

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Here I’ve got the monitor opened up to add the 5V power tap (black and red wires).



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The backs of these monitors usually have some structure moulded into them for strength that leaves lots of space for screws with which to mount the board on the back.



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Here it is all ready to go. I used a short (1’) VGA cable to keep things a bit tidier.
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Re: Terminal

Postby BillO » March 12th, 2022, 2:18 pm

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And here it is in use.
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Re: Terminal

Postby AltairClone » March 12th, 2022, 8:56 pm

Wow, you’ve done a great job with this! As you mentioned, a USB option for the keyboard would be a good feature for the next rev.

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Re: Terminal

Postby BillO » March 18th, 2022, 1:56 pm

Just an update...

I have found a modified firmware for this which provides for a USB keyboard. I'll need to order some bits and pieces for the next version to try this out and design a new board for testing.

https://github.com/dhansel/TerminalUSB

While it works with the 8800C as it stands, it does not work with some other old systems I have so I am also going to add a TTL to RS232 level converter (MAX232) to V3 so it is more generally applicable.
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Re: Terminal

Postby BillO » April 25th, 2022, 9:31 am

The version 3 boards came in on Friday and I built one up .. only to discover that I misplaced my PIC32MX250f128b chips. Spent all weekend looking for them. Sigh! Anyway, I have some more coming from Digi-Key. I'm sure once they arrive I will be tripping over the ones I misplaced.

So, here is what it looks like:

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Of course, at his point in time it is untested.

However some things of note:
It is considerably smaller
It fully supports the RS232 standard
It uses wired USB keyboards which are far more available than the PS/2 style.

There will probably be a V3.1 as I have already discovered little things about this that I'd like to change.

I'll update when I get to test it.
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Re: Terminal

Postby Wayne Parham » April 26th, 2022, 11:54 am

Looks great!
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Re: Terminal

Postby Curto » April 26th, 2022, 3:39 pm

I like it!
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